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Like Shivon and I hadn't even been in the same room since we were like 16.

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We did hear that you hate the word reunion.

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I did!

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Yes!

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Why?

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It's a set.

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Beautiful today.

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This week, we are beyond excited.

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Yeah, my ten year old self playing Singstar.

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Oh, she's screaming.

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Singing round round.

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She's screaming inside.

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We have probably one of the most iconic girl groups.

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The showroom.

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Woohoo!

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I'm screaming.

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Like I'm trying not to.

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I'm screaming.

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Wow.

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My only loose memory is like a plain Singstar.

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And I used to sing round round.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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And I used to be so at.

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I couldn't ever get the exact points for the verse.

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It just wouldn't.

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Wouldn't click.

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Yeah.

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No, I was definitely in primary school.

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And I remember I was trying to be the leader to everyone else.

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Like I was trying to be the good dancer.

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Ten year old me singing freak like me.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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I never realized that it's not.

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No, no, no.

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It's not true.

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It's not true.

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It's not true at all.

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No.

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Yeah, I can't.

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We love it.

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We wonder how did it first meet and form the group?

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And where did the name come from, was it?

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Oh, my gosh.

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It's.

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It's cast.

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I'm on to be there.

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So, Mitya and I grew up together.

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So we've known each other since we were like eight years old.

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And I guess Mitya and Shivam were recording in the studio.

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They kind of got introduced through like mutual friends and stuff when they were probably about 1211.

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1211 12 and they were recording.

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And.

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Oh, my God.

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And I.

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Mitya asked me one day to come with her to studio after school.

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I went there.

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We all met each other for the first time.

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And then someone said, oh, you know how that you guys sing together at school.

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Asked me to sing something.

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I sang.

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And then we recorded a song together that day.

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And then that was pretty much it.

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But yeah, it was literally after school.

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Yeah, it was like literally an after school activity.

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It was like, yeah, going to shoot you off to school recording.

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And then we just.

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And I'd say even after age, though, you're never at heart like years down the line.

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It would be what it is now.

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I don't.

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I do.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then when you think about it, it's like it's your whole life.

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Yeah.

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And when you think back to now, like you look at 12, you're older.

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If some of that age are you like we were like babies looking back.

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Yeah, that's the thing.

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But I think it's also a good thing because I think you can kind of put it into perspective, especially because we've got like young nieces and like nephews and stuff.

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And it's just like, oh my God, these are children.

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Yeah, I didn't imagine.

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Yeah.

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And so it actually just makes you think like, oh my God, like imagine like having the confidence to be able to go out there.

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I'm like, I'm starting in four years.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And yeah, I do say to my mum like, what was that like?

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Because obviously for her.

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Yeah.

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And she was just like, what you wanted to sing?

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And you know, I don't think our parents, because our parents aren't showbiz parents.

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So they would like to sing.

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So we also have parents had like they had full-time jobs, but then they also, you know, were our guardians.

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So they would drive us to the studio.

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They would say to all hours and then go and do their shift work and stuff.

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And like they made a lot of sacrifices for us to do.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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So someone always had to be there.

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We used to have that age.

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Yeah.

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Was it that age that like labels hurt coming in things or you had your label straight away?

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Yeah.

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I think it was kind of 13.

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13.

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13.

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When you think of that net, like that's so young.

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Very young.

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Yeah.

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Well, like amazing as well.

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And the other hand, it's the God that they said, 13, like, yeah, well, and it's nice because

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they believed in us.

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Of course.

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But I mean, yeah, well, we're here now.

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It was London, right?

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The most I really like that they were.

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Yeah.

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They had, you know, an amazing vision for us.

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And really let us have our creative freedom.

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So that's a really nice experience with her.

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Was it like, was it like, dancing to be in a room with like, sort of older people?

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Yeah.

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So funny because when I look at some pictures, I'm like, oh my God, it's like, I think you

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have seen a live.

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It really is.

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I feel like it was, I just always remember thinking like, what was the big deal?

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I remember the making such a fuss over the fact that we weren't, that we weren't polished.

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You know, a lot of the band's hot bands at the time.

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They were way more polished than us.

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And we were kind of a bit like more scrappy and a bit more sort of like not media.

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Just not media-driven.

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Not real.

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And so I remember that being made a big deal and the fact that we didn't smile, or we

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did smile, but we didn't smile in pictures.

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I remember that being like very cool or whatever it was at the time.

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And we were like, oh, we're just doing what we all do with our mates and stuff.

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So yeah, I don't think, I don't think we ever wanted to be like famous.

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I don't think we ever looked it in that way, but we just really enjoyed like that.

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Yeah, you ever do something you love?

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Yeah.

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We just came easy to you.

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And who's taking the credit for the name Sugar Books?

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So our first manager used to call us Sugar Babies.

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Sugar Babies.

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But that was taken by Bjork.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, I'm pretty sure, yeah.

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And then there was a choir in America.

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Well, we were babies.

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I think it was all kind of.

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We weren't a bum for it anyway, because the moment he was like, my little Sugar Babies,

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and he'd be saying that we were like, we were friends with our friends, we weren't.

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Yeah, we were like, cool.

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So we were like, no, we want Babes if it's gonna have to go with that name.

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Because I think we obviously knew at some point we're gonna grow into women.

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So, you know, having the word Sugar Babies could possibly just be.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Have to be a name, like kind of terrifying.

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For your life though, as well.

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Yeah.

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I made beats with it, because I think when you think of other bad names, some of them are just ridiculous.

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But you don't.

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You just don't think about that.

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Yeah.

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Even like the Rolling Stones.

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Like, who, who came with it?

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Who came with it?

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It's amazing, but like, what does it mean?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know, a load of Rolling Stones.

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I don't know.

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I was listening to an interview that cute.

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I think it was you had you don't on radio and you were saying that at one point you were

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getting like two and a half hours a seat, but night your schedules were that unpacked.

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Like, what was that time like for you?

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It was especially at that age.

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It was that a little bit later on that.

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Yeah.

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Well, it became the norm really, because we didn't know any different.

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And we would just be given our schedule for the year.

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And I remember we would have Christmas Day off, like Box Day.

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I think it was a lot easier with the line up with Shabbon, because we can't.

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We could hide behind age, because I think then we could only work like 72 hours.

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72 days.

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Or something.

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It was something that we couldn't work like before.

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We never actually did that.

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No.

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Because we used to do breakfast TV at 6am and then we would be playing like G.A.Y.

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One or four years.

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But still, we couldn't do a line up.

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There was a lot of secret things going on.

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Obviously, there was no social media there.

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Yeah.

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I think it really took on like a whole life of its own.

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You know, between the ages of like 17 upwards, it just became this huge

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storm.

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And obviously the brand was getting bigger and bigger.

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And yeah, it was a lot.

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And we didn't know that we had much of a say as such.

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Yeah.

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Because I think they allowed us to just continue being creative.

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Yeah.

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And so we didn't realize actually you can say, need a second.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, cool down time.

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It was through so, which is why we're kind of enjoying it now, because we have.

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Yeah.

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And it's just nice to be able to look at our schedule and be asked like,

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girls, do you want to do this?

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Yeah.

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That's what.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's what I'm talking about.

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Yeah.

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You have like full control of like everything you do.

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So we want to be here to do that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We're letting you do it.

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There's not force to be here.

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Yeah.

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What would you say then is like a highlight of your career?

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It's been like switching arrays and iconic time.

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Well, it's like the best thing that stands out here.

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We've had a couple of like amazing glass and re moment in the last couple of years.

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Like we played the Avalon stage and it wasn't until like moments before we took

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to stage it that we were getting taught like the signs for if people are in like to

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stress because there's so many people in it they've had to shut down.

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not just like the 10 or the field,

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but like the entire area that had to coordinate a whole lot.

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They can all bring all extra security in.

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And we were like, for who?

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Yeah.

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And then it happened two years later.

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Like my niece, you know, your niece,

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much is daughter winner.

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And they were like, this is like half an hour before,

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there was no one out there.

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There was like, no, no.

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Oh, no.

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And our teenage was like, yeah, we took a picture

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and we were like, this on see, no one's there.

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20 minutes later, one in one hour and then we shot down.

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I mean, yeah, those are amazing.

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I would say one that, like for me,

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the biggest highlight was getting our name back.

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Because many people don't know that we first came back

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like over 10 years ago under the name MKS.

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And it was a real struggle for us for a long time.

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We, you know, we were signed by a major off back

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as soon as they had we got back together.

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And then, you know, we were thankfully let go by them

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because we didn't want to be there anyway.

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And yeah, but yeah, it was really hard.

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And then having to, you know, fight for the name

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that we actually came up with and having all these obstacles

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that people go through in the industry,

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we had to really have a lot of patience.

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And, you know, it's been so rewarding

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to obviously be embracing this way.

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This is basically the reason why we got back together.

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So that we could actually enjoy it.

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And also just like kind of rewrite history in a way.

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Because I feel like this was like our baby as such.

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And then people just came in over the years, you know,

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adults and just made it something different.

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So it's been so rewarding to have like, you know,

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the support that we've had from everyone and our fans.

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And yeah, and some people, you know, they try that hard

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and it does feel like you're climbing a mountain.

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And it doesn't get to this point.

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Yeah.

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Because the industry is that hard.

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So I think that we are just so grateful

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that we were able to get the name back

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and like really smash it over the past three, four years.

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Yeah.

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It's not lost in us that that's the reason.

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That's why it was great.

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Today and back.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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To it all over again.

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We did hear that you hate the word reunion.

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I did.

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Yeah.

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Why do you hate it?

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I think it feels like the end of everything new.

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Okay.

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Whereas we're constantly putting new stuff into the set.

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We imagine in the songs we've got an incredible MD musical director

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that we work with who's also the MD for Stormzy.

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You know, we've got a whole new album that we will be releasing now

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after the first single, Jungle.

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And so I think reunion maybe means not doing those things.

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That's perfect explanation.

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That's a very nice point.

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Yeah.

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How was the music industry changed since when you first started?

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Like now, what like social media being such a big thing?

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Like when you promote your songs, like is it so different now

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to how you used to do it?

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Yeah.

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I think it's, I personally think it's very different.

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I mean, I'm kind of happy that we didn't have all of the

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Instagrams and the Facebooks and all that back then.

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I think you've been pretty messy to be honest.

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I think we're able to buy it.

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Yeah.

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We're physically happy.

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Everyone would go there and be like queuing up listening.

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For a CD and listening.

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I think for anyone who's at like a certain age now, you can kind of

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be thankful that at one point in your childhood we didn't have any of that.

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And it was nice to actually be able to be a, like, be a child, a re-18 age or whatever.

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Yeah.

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And here bring your social camera to it.

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Yeah.

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And the cameras are actually back in.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And everyone thinks it's a new thing.

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And I'm like, I'm about five of them in my house.

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Yeah.

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I got mine on eBay and the price.

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The most, I go, should I cap my old ones?

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They're all gone.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it's in perks though.

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Yeah.

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I know I was going to send lots of postcards.

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There is.

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Yeah.

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There is, like, I feel like back then you had to be signed otherwise it was like

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a really signed one.

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But like, yeah, because if you didn't have a label, like what were you going to do?

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Yeah.

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And it was like, and you had to be like a top five.

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Like, at least.

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But like now it's just like you can just turn out all your hits.

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You can be in the studio.

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Yeah.

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I feel like putting out a song.

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Yeah.

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And you can actually be a part of it.

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Just have control.

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You've got more control.

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And the way people consume music now, you know, like, yeah, I talked to my 16 year old niece.

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Like she was trying to introduce me to the cocktail twins.

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Like it was a new band.

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And I was like, no, like Liz Fraser's one of my favorite singers ever.

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And I'm pretty sure she's in her 60s and it's not new.

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But I love that.

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And she doesn't know what decade things are from.

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She's just finding all the best music from history.

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Yeah.

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And instead of just being forced, like, you know, the same five songs, everything, whatever.

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So it's I think it's really exciting.

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It really, like our thing is to snarl.

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It's good for anyone.

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For being so young and being in the spotlight, did you ever wish has had a normal life?

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Grown off.

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Oh my God.

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I always used to think what would have done if I wasn't singing.

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To be honest, I feel like it's hard to even imagine that now because we have all grown up in the industry.

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It's hard for me to be saying that because I stepped away from having completed different career.

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I was a model booker for 10 years and I loved it.

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I loved the camaraderie around the table.

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I loved looking after all the new faces that came in because it reminded me of traveling when I was so young with the label.

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I needed that to score as well, chef as well.

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And I like you.

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I like you.

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Ask all of us together.

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Because we're there.

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I only own it for my exams for like a week.

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But we had like private tuition all of us together.

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And then when it came school.

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Yeah.

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And then afterwards like, Shavon's school was so kind.

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I was like, yeah, you know, you can kind of ask us like, no, sorry.

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The spaces have been taken.

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Yeah.

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But they've got a really bad feeling.

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That was really mean.

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Yeah.

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That was probably because we actually wanted to go back to go and finish off.

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Oh.

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And yeah.

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And then I came back and sit my exam.

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So that was that was nice.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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We're going back then.

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Yeah.

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I tell you what was weird.

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I'd been taught for the wrong board.

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Oh, so yeah.

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So I had to just kind of just throw myself in and didn't know what I was doing.

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But yeah.

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Oh, it's okay.

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I still pass.

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Yeah.

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What's the cause in it?

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Is it an essay?

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No, SETs that you do?

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GCC.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I had to complete each difference.

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Oh, the whole.

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Anyone talks about it?

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Yeah.

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I guess that was confused.

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So obviously not having that normal life, I suppose, was so different for you.

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So like, what did your day say?

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I looked like at like age 15, say, like 16.

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When everyone else in school, I think it was really hard because very quickly, I guess we learned that we didn't have much in common with our peers.

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I remember that shift and I personally struggled with it quite a lot.

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Just because I felt like I was still like a kid.

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So it's almost like then you're taking out of that environment.

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You're brought into like a new environment with adults.

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And in my mind, I was still doing childlike things when I went back to my friends and they were like,

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oh, so we did this now.

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And I was like, what?

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And I was like, but what about the kiss?

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And they were like, kiss, go, we've moved on for the kiss.

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We've moved on for the kiss.

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Yeah.

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I was like, what?

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So it kind of like kept you a little bit like later.

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And also, I think it was really difficult because I remember going out and just going to like the movies and things like that.

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And then, you know, sometimes other teenagers weren't very kind.

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And also as well, depending on sort of like what, because the press back then were very brutal.

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So depending on sort of like what you, what the press would say about you or how they felt about you.

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Then you would then go out, you could be by yourself or you'd be surrounded by teenagers.

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So that was really difficult because then your people wanted to see like, are you that tough?

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And then they, you know, so there was a lot of incidents where it was kind of hard.

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And then you didn't feel like I felt quite lonely actually.

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And we didn't change, but the people around you did, that was all right.

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Those are the different lights.

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Yeah, I'm just not going to relate to you or anything.

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But it's almost like you're not a person.

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It's like you're either up there and it's amazing.

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just like you know can't have just like a regular chat with you or it's like who do you think you are?

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Yeah and it's like one of one of the other and you're like oh no I just want to like do small talk

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I know like yeah you want to be able to have a hope like you know yeah so it was the people around

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you are changed towards you it was really yeah but you know what I like to do then

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throughout really quickly you learn like you know to gravitate towards your tribe

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yeah find your people and you hang on to them for dear life yeah and my mom gave me the

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best advice because I remember one time I was like super down super carmiser and my mom said

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you have got to learn to enjoy your own company oh yeah and that was a game changer for me

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and she just explained to me that if you look because you're with yourself for the rest of your

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life like you're on brand you know you're you've got to learn to be able to enjoy your company and

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from that moment there I still take myself on dates I will go and I will have like you know I

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go cinema by myself this is not an everyday thing but I do it and I actually like to enjoy it

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yeah and I give that advice to like so many people like whenever I am

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I don't have time.

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Oh, I love it.

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I love it.

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I love that.

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It's really nice.

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And girl groups, I think anyway, and maybe you think back in the day, we're definitely

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more common than now.

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Do you think there's a reason for that now or?

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I think that there's seen as being by labels.

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I don't know if you'd say that, it's being really expensive.

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And I think that that is maybe a barrier.

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I also think that there's not an awful lot of artist development that I see going on

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at the moment.

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You know what's so crazy about this industry?

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Because all it does is it takes one.

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Because the moment someone gets a number one smash hit, you'll see about 50 labels lining

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up with 100 girl bands to basically do the same thing.

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And so, yeah, artist development definitely is a lack in majorly.

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And yeah, definitely the expense thing, because with girls, it's hair and makeup.

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I never thought I would have known.

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I would have known.

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And it's multiple people, I just want.

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But even boy bands, I feel like kids these days are really bad.

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Oh, I'm a boy.

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I'm a boy.

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I think we're pretty low fire, actually.

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When you hear about the scenarios and stuff, I think we're pretty low maintenance.

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Yeah.

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Would you do your own glamour hair and things ever sometimes?

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Sometimes, sometimes.

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Yeah.

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You're really so good at that now.

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If it's needed, you know, we can do it.

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Yeah, we definitely, I mean, just because of the time now that the things that are in

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our schedule, we do have like two hair stylists and occasionally we might like for jungle,

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for example, we had when we're doing the shoot, we had to have to make up on it.

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To make up our own.

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Is that time?

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Yeah.

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But then on the flip side, we'll be at a festival where we're all there like steaming

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our own clothes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, one way or another.

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You know, it's quite nice just to do your own thing.

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Yeah.

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Not be scrapped.

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People fussing, you know, just do that.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I know, you've got many hands touching as well.

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Yeah.

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Can you be annoying?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's a bit over, over.

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Over, over.

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How do you think you've changed as artists as time's gone on like through the years, like

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with your sound, with like music genres that you like, you want to dig into, like, has

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that evolved as you've gotten?

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I feel like not on all four letters changed.

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No.

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I think what has changed is our confidence levels.

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And when you have like real synergy with who you're working with, for example, like John

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Shafe, the producer we did jungle with, and we've done a lot of the new album with him,

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actually.

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And he's most famous for like most recently doing like a lot of the Charlie X, the X,

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Brad album.

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Wow.

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I think that when you have that synergy, like the minute we met him and worked with him,

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we just got it.

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He loved all our, you know, like opinions in the room because he's just like, it's just

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creativity that we're throwing around.

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Whereas sometimes you go into settings and people just don't want that.

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You go.

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Oh, that's really a vibe killer.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So again, it's just about finding your people and like, you know, the synergy getting that

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right with someone in there.

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Yeah.

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Stick with them.

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Would there be a peak thing in your head, like a tough note that comes into your head?

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If you had like younger you sitting in front of you.

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So the three years at 12 or 13 sitting in front of you, is there a one little piece of advice

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that you tell the three of you?

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I always say to just enjoy because I think now that I now that we're a little bit more

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grown, more a little bit older, I'm enjoying myself.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I think back then I felt like I was being very serious, not too serious, but I kind

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of just went to work and just and didn't acknowledge when we had number one's when we

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were touring, when we were traveling different parts of the world.

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So now I'm like, I'm excited.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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That's right.

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I think the most challenging time in your journey as a group and how did you overcome it?

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I mean, what's time do we want to talk about?

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I think when you're talking about a career over such a long time, I think it's natural

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that there's been like changes and I think the most challenging like for us three, I

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would say I feel like it was the MKS.

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Yeah.

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That was so hard.

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That was so, so hard because we didn't have the infrastructure around us and we didn't

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have the support of the industry at that time and we didn't have the name.

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Yeah.

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And we were trying to book shows and even though we were doing one, yeah, we're less

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we had.

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Yeah.

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And even though we were doing sell out, we had a sell out tour and there was a lot of

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like things that we were every time someone would throw a challenge at us, we'd be like,

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well, here, here's lay down in swimming pools, here's flatline, we would really be trying

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to raise the bar, but that is really difficult when you've just come back together again.

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Like Shivon and I hadn't even been in this same room like since we were like 16 and I'd

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just come out of the other line up really a year and a half before then.

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Yeah.

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So I think that that was really, really hard, but I'm super proud of us because I actually

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think that those are the times that actually matter, not when everything's going perfect,

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but actually when you're going through things, like how can you guys stick together?

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I'm sure, because I remember it would be like there'd always be someone with us that

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was like, I can't, I'm not sure if I can do this anymore, it's too hard.

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Like there were just too many obstacles in the way, like they're just, you know, and

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I still think, you know, the lost tapes is what we ended up calling that record because

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it leaked at the time and we released it only about four years ago because we were like,

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that was such a great body of work.

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Like we really stand by and it was so proud of it.

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And we're like, God, how with that body of work was it that hard?

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It just blows our minds, but yeah, as Kenja said, like we just had to pull through.

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Had to just keep going.

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Yeah.

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Had to just keep going with it.

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And it's great that like now, the thing is when you go through those rough times, it's

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all about like a cherry on top.

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Yeah.

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And I think it was all worth it to bring us to sort of like where we are now.

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Yeah.

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And I'm glad that we didn't throw in the towel because we just, we just never know.

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Did you imagine that was the end of the story?

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I know.

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Yeah.

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Did you ever feel like there was times where you could have said, Oh, yeah, we all have

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it.

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Yeah.

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All of it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And the other two would be like, no, we've got this.

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Yeah.

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This will be, you know, there's light at the end of the tunnel.

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This is the darkest moment.

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And we, you know, go around circles and each other that every time someone needs to hear

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it.

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Yeah.

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At least you had each other to be able to tell each other that like, yeah, yeah.

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That's good.

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Yeah.

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And here's like, have a way now to like, that you know how each tree of his work and to

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reach out to cause even more friends work together.

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So like, do you like know each other's right like brains?

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And you know when someone needs to open and like just you work together really well.

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I feel like we definitely work together very well.

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I think that it's average because we're all very different.

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I think we've all had different experiences.

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Yes.

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So to be honest, we're constantly learning.

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We're constantly figuring out based upon our personal lives and what we go through our own

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individual boundaries and things like that.

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But it definitely isn't honest and pure relationship that we have with each other.

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And it's more just like with any relationship to you, it's like give and take.

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And I think we all know like when someone needs a second, you know, when someone needs

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some time or sometimes we're living on a bus together as well.

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Like, you know, it's like we're flatmates as well.

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Yeah.

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But gone other days of like pretending, you know, when we put the goblins together and

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it's like, we're happy all the time.

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And we get along all the time.

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And it's to be the other one to deserve it.

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Like, you know, I'm not retired.

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It's just about having, you know, having respect for each other and having boundaries.

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Yeah.

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And just knowing that, yeah, if someone needs their time to move.

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You know, yeah.

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And you're allowed to.

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Yeah.

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And life happens, you know, everyone goes through different things, family things, blah,

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blah, blah.

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Like life happens.

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And it's all about navigating that.

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I do think that we've done that exceptionally well because I just don't think this would

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have enabled to lots of other.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think we definitely have a great deal of patience with each other for sure.

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And yeah, we're just learning each other every day, like in any relationship.

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Yeah.

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You know, you're like, you know, you're learning about the sisters, the cousins, you're

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with it like, you know, always talking on like the goblins in front of me.

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And I don't know what people were expecting when we were turned up to these indie festivals

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like from three years ago.

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But like, we're like always on time, like don't really need very much, like we'll just be

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ready, like put our own in is in and we'll be like, you ready?

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No, no, no.

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We're really like sure.

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And so I think, you know, we've earned a reputation for ourselves, you know, behind the scenes

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as well as just like being a professional outfit that will bring it every single time.

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Yeah.

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But she's her own horn.

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Oh, she's not.

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Horn over here.

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We always give that 100%.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, you can get that from us.

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You don't have all together now in Ireland.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Great.

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And I'll live on the floor.

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Is that like, are you like doing it?

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I kind of like, I love it.

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Is it like, it teaches everything like,

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yeah, it teaches them, it teaches them.

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It's like when they're like,

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American like, RV like, looking things.

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Is that thing?

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They're probably damn bigger in better and better.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But it is really, yeah.

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16 beds.

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Some of them are like 16 beds, so you got,

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you get a box of sleep at night and you're bound to.

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Yeah.

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You get wifi and all the likes,

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you get all of that kind of stuff, you know.

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I have like, how long of a time period

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cause you've been on a bus for?

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Well, about two, about five weeks.

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Yeah.

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But like, you know, often they've been like,

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do you want day rooms?

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Do you want to, you know, get off at the bus

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at four in the morning and check his battery.

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Oh, no.

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And check his battery.

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Yeah.

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And the coffee's good at the morning.

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And the coffee's great.

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Yeah.

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And nothing we're so used to like, you know,

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having fun nights at times, you know.

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Everything is very clean.

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Yeah.

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We're doing a face mask and anything.

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But that is really a good way.

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It's lovely, fine and perfect.

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Literally.

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And like, there's bad and it's showers and everything.

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There's no showers.

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No, no.

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Oh, yeah.

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So what we do is is like, you're, I guess we come off

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the bus in the morning or go to either a day room

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or go to the venue.

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And show us how it's stuff there.

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And then we go on stage, we come off exact same thing.

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Show up, put your jammies on back on the bus.

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Yeah.

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Get the reading.

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So I'm not supposed to sound too bad.

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It really is fun.

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Yeah.

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You have to drag your bags off and off.

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And then we bring our family on it's house and time.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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How is it like leaving your family when you're

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touring and doing politics?

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Is it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's hard.

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Yeah.

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Because you're at any face time and all the time,

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kind of keep in contact that way.

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Yeah.

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It's her probably as well.

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Even that's hard for me with the age of my kids at the moment.

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Yes.

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I mean, you know, when it's festival season, it's like,

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I'm there 80% of the time.

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You know, I'm basically like working part times and works really well.

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I'm there during the week.

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My husband's there at the weekends when I'm off working.

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It's amazing.

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But like a tour like what we're about to do will be will be.

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We'll be tough.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We'll be tough.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So we miss each other.

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And how does it really react to having like famous model?

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How do they say?

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How do you explain that you're doing?

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Yeah.

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I'm really famous.

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Yeah.

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What do you?

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Well, they love coming to the show.

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Vivian's four and she's like, I'm not sure I want to come to the London show.

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She says, because I always fall asleep.

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Oh, no.

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Oh, no.

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Oh, wow.

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And four to seven and he's like, he loves it.

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He loves it.

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He sings along.

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He wants a t-shirt.

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Oh.

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Yeah.

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He just loves it.

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Isn't that so nice?

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Right.

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And imagine him school just telling everyone.

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Enough.

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Man, I'm so sugar-beeps.

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Man.

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Has there been, obviously, someone to your personal time has taken up with being in

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the band, started your personal time, but has there been a time where you've had to choose

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a personal moment over like professional and just been like, I have to do that instead.

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Like, yeah, definitely.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I did that when I had my daughter at one point when I had Tylea.

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So it was, it was hard because it was like the peak of sugar-beeps.

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Yeah.

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And you know, we had a lot going on.

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And right before we'd launch my dad died, right before we just came back again.

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So you've got to take that word, you know, you know.

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Yeah.

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You feel okay to ever just be like, I need my time off now.

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But I think we all understand each other.

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Yeah.

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Like, if we've all got something that's going on with the band, we hate letting each other

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down.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But it is so that's really like that.

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It's a conversation.

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Yeah.

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But sometimes I feel like being on the road actually is almost like it really helps balance

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out.

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Yeah.

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Because I often think to myself, had I gone through like a lot of my grief and I didn't

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have the up moments, then you're just feeling down, down, down.

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Right.

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Actually, when you're on stage, it gives you this endorphin, like this feeling, this

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brush.

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And I think that, you know, that sort of was quite helpful for me.

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And do you still get that same like rush being on stage?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Never goes away.

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Yeah.

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And everyone will.

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I'm always, I always know another.

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Really?

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Like, yeah, the first thing I'm saying is, is there even anyone out there?

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That's the first question.

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But anyone comes.

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Yeah.

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And I still do it today.

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Yeah.

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Well, I think it's good though.

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Because as soon as I get on stage, I'm like, I'm ready for it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Maybe you knew before, if you thought before, I'd do psychracellia, it will probably

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more.

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You need a few butterflies.

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Yeah.

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I think that's not, I think if you ever said like, no, never easy.

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I don't really believe anyone that, yeah, I can't.

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But it's just like, I don't think I ever think.

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Yeah.

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If you like, as if you're not, you don't take it very seriously then.

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If you're just so easily able to, no, don't feel anything just going in and I'm going

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home.

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No, then.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to feel that.

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Oh, definitely.

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Yeah.

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No.

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Yeah.

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They would.

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What's your favourite song to perform?

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Do you have the same one or a different one?

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Oh, my one.

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Oh, couple of it.

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You like too lots.

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Too lots in you.

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Oh.

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I love too lots in you.

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Yeah.

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And the round always go.

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Oh, yeah.

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Same on things too.

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Yeah.

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I like overload because there's always like this dancing section where we kind of vibe

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out together.

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Yeah.

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And I really enjoy push the button.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then just as a song in general, up to your favourite, like not to perform, just one

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that like you like, that is my favour.

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I think it might be a new one that we've got.

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Ooh.

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Because we're not, I think we can say that we're not, I think we're just doing jungle on

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the channel.

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Yeah, there's another new one we're going to be doing on the channel.

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I don't know.

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I love this song, but until we perform it, that's what I can decide whether or not I like

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doing it out for way too.

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I never know, even until you've done it.

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I thought you never know what a song's going to sound like until you actually hear it yourself

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on the radio.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that makes right.

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And I think it's also watching the crowds to see how they're reacting.

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Does that have a big impact on your songs, do you think?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You can see and how we're proud, we'll take it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because then you kind of know the next time round is it's something we want to put into

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the set or is it, you know, I think about it.

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But then I guess each crowd's difference.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I guess I would say that Ireland's a best crowd, but are they actually do you think?

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Are people just saying they always have a bad name?

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They never had a bad name.

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They never had a bad name.

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They never had a bad name.

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I love that.

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Perfect.

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At least you can hold it.

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I feel like we just sing loud.

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Maybe not great sometimes.

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Maybe not.

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We're just real, do you but in the best way?

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Yeah.

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In the best way.

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I went to a Drake concert in Germany and I could hear Drake clearly.

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There was no one who was just quiet.

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No, no.

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I was in a live.

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I'll just sway and I was like, what's going on?

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I need to show you as a picture.

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You might remember this more.

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Okay, go on a little bit.

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What era?

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We're going back.

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Oh Lord, okay.

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You remember them?

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Oh, my God.

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That was the idea.

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You remember them?

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It was.

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I remember the hair style.

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Yeah, too.

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Yeah.

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For the fact that you're selling them on eBay.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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According to your eBay today.

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Okay.

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I'm wonderful.

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Get that just for the memorabilia.

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I remember being in school and I was just being like, pulling up and whiffing it out.

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It would be like an iPod.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So funny.

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There's obviously a lot of pressure to look and act a certain way for everyone, but especially

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when someone's in the spotlight, what does that feel like to begin with?

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Do you think now it's easier because you're in the industry so long or is it still hard

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with press and social media and things like that?

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I think that we consciously stay away from particular subjects because I think regardless

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of what you say, people sometimes are waiting for you to have an opinion on something.

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Just so that they can be like, aha, you know, and drag you through.

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So I feel like definitely there are things that, you know, we definitely don't touch on,

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but I think for the most part, the older we get, the less we actually care about, you

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know, what people say.

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Yeah.

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We definitely care about what people say for sure.

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But for me personally, I've like pretty much like years ago, I've told everyone in my

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life that I don't really want to know about anything good or bad.

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So I don't want to know about any articles.

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Love that.

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I don't read comments.

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Obviously we know as Instagram you open up, you'll see a flood of comments and stuff.

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I actually post and then I go do and I don't.

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So I actually, even when we post on our group page and we're all tags, that for me can

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be a little bit stressful sometimes because I'm seeing everything.

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Yeah.

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Where's my actual comments are monitored.

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So even on Twitter, I don't get any sort of feedback.

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So I'll tweet and maybe like the four people that I've seen for about the last ten years.

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Well, I'm a reply.

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I think through though, because it can not be confident.

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Oh, yeah.

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And also, I think that the thing that we can do is just do our very best.

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Always do your very best and if you're happy with it, that is all that matters.

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And I think even if someone said you're amazing 50 times, it's always the one that you're

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going to pick.

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If the one by is not going to be, it will focus in on all the time.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There is pretty much going to be like so many.

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lovely messages and then the one is like, it's things.

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Yeah, it might be something in our brain.

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Yeah, it's on our one.

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It is.

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It doesn't do anything to me.

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I know.

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Really?

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You've got to know how to hear each every time I hear this.

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I'll just think.

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Yeah, I just think I'm going to make myself look and sound the best I can on that day.

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And I'm going to give it my all.

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Yeah.

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That's the best I've got.

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And it's not good enough.

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That's sort of like your problem.

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Yeah.

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I'm honestly how I think about you.

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I've done my bit.

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I've done my bit.

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And you know, and stand as for women in particular, just impossible.

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I can't reach it.

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I can't reach it.

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If you want a supermodel, there's so many amazing supermodels out there.

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I'm all of them.

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Support them.

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I'm not supermodel.

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No, I do.

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So it's, you know, to be honest, I do have it.

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I do have it.

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I do get so many beautiful comments on people.

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Yeah, and basically, everyone is just so lovely.

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Yeah.

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And why do people put negative comments?

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Because they probably don't feel very good about themselves.

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It doesn't make sense anyway.

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You know, you've got such a horrible thing to say.

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Why would you even want to put in a sense?

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No, no one normal says it online.

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You just go with your friend.

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Put it in your group chat.

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Yeah.

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I'll try.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And for effort for those right.

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So you're new single jungle.

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What was the inspiration behind that?

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Right.

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I love it by the way.

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I think the last song we put out was kind of more mid tempo.

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It was a vocal harmony moment.

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And so we wanted to do a buff and something up tempo.

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And then in terms of like the lyrical content, we wanted to do something that was like,

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you know, everyone's got their nine to five, the grind to like, you know, make ends meet.

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Everyone needs to let their head down.

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And it's exactly about letting them.

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Is the lyrical process of stuff like that heard?

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Like, no, if you're in the room with the right people.

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No, it can come just flows.

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Yeah.

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How exciting was that thing?

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And you're doing two shows in Ireland?

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Yes.

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So you have Vell fast on the 19th of April and through your inner Dublin on the 20th of April.

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And you're kind of in love.

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So exciting.

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So exciting.

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Yeah.

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So have you spent a lot of time in Ireland over the last few years?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We've been here quite a few years.

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Is there a pop of food or drink that you've had since you were here?

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Like one of the spring's wine.

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Is it a vinic?

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You know, there's that club that we do.

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We've been here a couple of times too.

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So you're home to one of your cousins.

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Home.

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Health.

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Health.

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In Dublin.

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Oh, yeah.

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We went there.

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Sorry, my name is Vell.

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Vell.

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My cousin, Lairn Dunne, who sorted out our after party one night there.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I was good.

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And have your side of spice bag yet?

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Who's that?

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Oh, my girl.

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Spice bag.

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Spice bag.

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What you also know that the word spice bag is in the

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dictionary now that I just introduced you.

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What is it?

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It's a twist on like Chinese cuisine, but like apparently we only have to

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in Ireland.

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So it's your chips, your chicken, all your edge or everything in a bag.

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In England, they come in.

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In a use call it salt and pepper chicken from the

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front.

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Oh, yeah.

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Here it's called salt and chili, but it's a mix of salt and chili chicken and

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chips in a bag.

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Oh, so we need this by the way.

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Oh, what's the sauce?

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Coriander.

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Coriander.

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Coriander.

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Coriander.

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Coriander.

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Coriander.

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Coriander, yeah.

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I think the white show that is on the edge.

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And where are we going to get this?

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Ooh, depends very about it in Dublin.

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Everything is on the edge.

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I think.

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I think the cyan tie.

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Yeah.

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The cyan tie.

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Ok.

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Everyone gets them on the ground.

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Right, OK.

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Yes.

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It's not impossible to get.

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Oh, no.

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No, no.

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We don't like to live a room.

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We're just in our soil.

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Oh, before you leave, you just have to get a spice bag.

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Yes.

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We have a section based on our podcast where we asked for advice.

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Are we asking advice? Someone asked her advice.

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So it's called phone a friend. So you should be get people in that are from our Instagram page,

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but you're going to be the friend today. Okay. Okay. So hey girls, love the pod. I need some advice.

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I've developed a massive crush on a guy in my office. We work on different teams. We always have

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the crack when we see each other. The problem he has the girlfriend. He's never done anything

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inappropriate, but there's definitely chemistry and sometimes I feel like he lures back.

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I know it's wrong to even have to say an idea, but I can't help hoping something might happen.

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Am I a bad person free in this way? Should I back off completely? Or is it her amnesty as long as I

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don't act on it? I'm telling you. It's hard. I mean, if you're, if it's, why am I worried?

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Why am I worried? No, I should get a gift. Well, I think we're, I think that men and women need to

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be around here and have it because I was watching this thing the other day and it was about chemistry.

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And sometimes you can confuse the chemistry that you have with someone with romance.

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Okay. And actually because sometimes it is an attractive thing if someone's like,

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you know, if you like the kind of guy that comes in and he knows what he wants or, you know,

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you like the kind of girl who comes in and cares about everyone in the room. You're like,

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oh, this is quite attractive. You know, we would be foolish to think that you getting a

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relationship with someone and the same attributes that you love about them isn't in any other human

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being. Yeah. Yeah. However, that means there. What I'm landing it is that there is a huge

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difference between acting on something. There's nothing wrong with chemistry or,

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I mean, if I'm unattractive like this, friendship is good looking. Yeah. I do think that there

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is a line and obviously, yeah. So I would say, I think we'd all say, is he a choice?

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He has a very good acting style. I mean, you wave it out and he's the one he

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is. Friendship is okay to have. Yeah. It's nothing wrong with girls and guys having

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friends. Yeah. And you should and it could just literally be chemistry as well as

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like real. Yeah. But also you can't you can't help who you are attracted to. So she's doing

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absolutely nothing wrong. And kind of neither is he. He'll just have to figure out his situation.

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It's not. It's not even a situation because he's probably just a friendly flirt.

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Friend of my self. I'm a friend. I'm a friend. I'm a friend. I'm a friend. Yeah. I don't like you.

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No. But I don't mind. But I'm making you feel good for a hot second. That was great.

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Right? That was fine. That was almost for your time. Girls been amazing. Thank you.

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So obviously, we had the help of the sugar waves from round of friends. Unfortunately for

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Seeks and Stalls, he's just have us. Sorry guys. Sorry. Sorry. Imagine the person that wrote

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in the phone for an dilemma. Just get the sugar waves. Yeah. And sugar waves.

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Vice. Ah. Pretty cute. You want to take that vice.

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And so Seeks and Stalls, we do every week. We want to help you with any advice you have.

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Kind of the conversations you have with girls in the matchroom.

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A nightclub where you just spilled beans. Yeah. A random girl's in the nightclub.

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I'm a fan. Do you want to have my favourite hot? Yeah. Or as we both work your best friends.

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We tell you things you need to hear. Share Seeks and advice. I'm giving you the real talk.

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So it's called Seek It's From The Stalls. Bottom Stalls. So this is this week's.

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This is quite long. So keep your ears peeled. I've been with my boyfriend for a couple years.

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We live together and everything between us is great. But he's not the problem. It's his mom.

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Oh no. She has a way of involving herself into every part of our lives. After making

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comments that feel unnecessary or like subtle digs. For example, we boat work on site every day.

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No work from home. She'd asked you want to end things in the shop. And if he says yes,

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she'll respond. Could I, and brackets me, not have gotten out of my way home,

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even though she was the one who asked if we needed anything in the first place.

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We don't live with her. So she'd go out of her way to drop it in to us.

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It's like she always finds a way to turn things into a criticism. Another time I was sick and she

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actually suggested that I should move out temporarily so I wouldn't get him sick, which honestly

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really reminds. Then there's a constant phone call sometimes 15 times a day. Often about

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nothing urgent, but always at times when she knows we're together. Like when he gets out from

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work or when we're about to have dinner. It feels like she's always making sure she's present

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in some way. I try bring an old buddy either brush it off or says she's just joking even when it's

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obvious that there's more to it. It's made me feel like I'm the problem for even mentioning it,

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but same time I can't stop thinking about it. Like is this just an extreme case of mommy's boy?

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Am I overreacting or is there something deeper going on here? Would love to hear your thoughts

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and any suggestions basically what should I do? Like that's the sound that even terrifies me.

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Like is this shivers? Like how can you be like that? I think like a mommy's boy or a mommy's boy

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or whatever. I think they're the boys are aware of. Yeah. They know when they're a mommy's boy.

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Whereas in this case I don't know if he's actually aware of like what's going on. If he's just like

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I got a shunny joke and they're like yeah a mommy's boy is like when they know what's

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it but when then there's like the moms who are like everyone's too good or my son's too good

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for her. Yeah. They're like too good for everyone. Like that's crazy. Something like this is just

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going to blow up into a big put it all in a cow. Can you blow it off? Of course walking you actually

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you start the arrogant over your mom calls you?

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Your mom's obsessed, you freak.

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That's why there's a grotto.

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Yeah, like, tell your mom to fuck off.

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Like, what do you say? Cause she's not actually doing anything bad that you could actually

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start. Like, have a conversation over.

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You could say why do you run cally all the time? What's that gonna do?

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He's gonna make M, I don't know.

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You're not gonna say to the mom why do you call him all the time?

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So what? I don't know what the end goal is.

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Or end.

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Say your mom's obsessed with you, you need to...

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Well, I think she just needs to explain how it's making horror feel.

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That like, she feels like it's only when they're supposed to down and have dinner or she feels like...

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she's making sliding. That's just how she feels.

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She's allowed to have those feelings.

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Yeah.

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So I think if she just lets him know that's the way it's making her feel.

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Yeah.

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That might not be true. It might not be the case at all.

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It might be like, you know what I mean?

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But you're entitled to have feelings.

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And so like, if that is the way it's gone.

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I just don't know what...

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Okay, she sets her feelings. The boyfriends are like, oh my god, sorry, feel that way.

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What he's gonna do? Sorry, mom, stop calling me out this time.

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I just don't know how this is going to...

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I think this might be one of the things where like, you'd have to leave her or leave her.

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Oh, leave her or love her?

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Like, leave her or just be...

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as in leave him or live with this.

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Oh my god.

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Because I don't see the mom's not gonna be like, okay, so one call you that many times.

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Like the mom wants to have an argument with that girl.

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Yeah.

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Maybe it's test.

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And the teller to move her because she's sick?

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Great.

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Don't I just get my son sick?

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How about you fuck off her few days? I was wee.

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What?

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I get sick on purpose.

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I just don't tell her.

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How is it?

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How is it?

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How is the way of getting this...

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Tell him how you feel.

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Yeah.

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Bring it up so he's aware of it.

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Mention your times when you have evidence of this happening.

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Yeah.

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But maybe like, sure, I said, don't be expected anywhere else because...

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Yeah, you only get one mother.

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Yeah.

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Sometimes they're not great like this one.

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I'm watching you go to like a character and you're gonna be like, oh I'll back off, sorry.

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Yeah.

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It's kind of really makes things worse.

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If only.

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Well he could say it in a way like, can yourself call it my phone I'm really busy also.

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15 times a day, there's no, there's no, there's no need for anyone that many times.

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That's not anyone that many times.

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What do you even say after that many times, hey, hey?

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How have you still got to talk?

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Yeah, what have you got to say?

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I think I don't care of reacting, I think your feelings are so valid.

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I don't feel the same, but I just don't know if anything could change there.

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But I think saying it to him and saying every word is the first step.

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It's the first step.

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Yeah.

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Because it's like, you can't tell someone not to be there, not to be there, more there like that.

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Don't like your man, but you can't.

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You can't.

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Yeah, pull out, it's no, an update.

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We are also gonna be introducing new segments soon if you have any bedroom dilemmas.

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So like anything at all.

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What should I say last week was into my head and I think it's humidifier.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, humidifier.

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I don't know why.

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In the bedroom.

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Yeah.

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It's meant to be something sexy and saucy and I'm thinking where to put the humidifier into

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the room.

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And you can send them in to us or if there's anyone in your life that you think might be shown

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right flag, you let us know what it is and we'll decide so it can be ending from like some

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really obvious to something niche.

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We can be like, yeah, that's right flag.

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Sometimes it is the little niche things that are dorks and they'll be coming soon.

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We're also gonna end with peak and bleakie the week.

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We should have got the sugar mave to do this.

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Oh yeah.

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I really hope they go get spice like same and try it and do a video like I really think they

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didn't enjoy it.

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They would.

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And they haven't even heard of it.

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No, they're like, what's that salt and pepper?

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What you know, like no, but that's a bit.

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Yeah, that's it.

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Why do they call that though?

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There's no pepper on it.

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No pepper in it.

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I don't understand.

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I remember going on and I was like, what like there's no such thing as salt and chili.

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And that's spice.

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I know I'm actually craving one.

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Yeah, same.

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I'm actually talking about it.

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So we're gonna pick one high and one low.

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So we're gonna pick one high and one low.

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So peak being our high and bleak being our low the week.

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And it's only rice.

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So we get the negative out of the way first.

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So bleak of the week.

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My bleak is that I am nearly convinced I'm getting to unslide us.

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Yay!

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Has it gotten worse?

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No, it's just still there.

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I can see it every time I open it.

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Oh yeah.

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Not good.

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Like just swirling.

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Yeah, it's like two tennis balls in my neck.

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So that's brilliant.

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It's really, really good.

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Yeah.

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That's bleak.

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And I had someone text.

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And they were like, oh, I got mine out at like 29 or something.

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Like maybe go and do that.

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Yeah, Gordon pay me.

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Oh, it's not too much.

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I ain't just as it is.

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It's like, yeah, my brother, my brother Jack was in hospital.

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Yeah, every other hospital.

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He got, um, Quincy.

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Quincy, it's got, yeah.

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I had to get a tonsils of...

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah, he got it after that.

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I only know that length, like that girl in the hospital

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and I was in there once and she had Quincy.

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Oh really?

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And I remember looking at her opening up, I was like, what's that?

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Looks it up.

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Tonsils are literally in the Google, let me just don't look it up.

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Tonsils are like touching.

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Oh yeah, they told Jack like his airways.

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Our clothes.

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Yeah.

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We're clothes.

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Yeah.

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We need to do something here.

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So maybe it's just something that runs in the family.

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So that's my lovely shoes.

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Yeah.

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Um, my bleak.

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I don't know.

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I don't think we have one.

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If we don't have one, then don't make one up because we're in a good week.

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No, let one of us go in a week.

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Oh, actually.

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Well, I got my period.

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That's pretty bleak.

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That is pretty bleak.

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And the day before I was on a rampage.

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Oh, just so annoyed at everything.

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And then I was like, oh, that makes sense.

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Sorry, Dano.

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Being crazy.

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I love when it clicked.

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No, I wasn't crazy, Dano.

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I just create annoyed at like traffic.

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Oh, as if I can.

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Just anything and everything.

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Everything.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And I think it happens.

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It has to be this week.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We can have the same one this week.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It has to be this week.

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Oh, fun.

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I'm just set as out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I got my hair done.

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I'm going to wear it.

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I'm going to wear it.

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Yeah.

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That's beautiful.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to belt them out on the way home now.

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Same.

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You know when you meet someone you actually end up like in the more like the earth is more

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I feel like.

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Yeah.

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Like it's just like I'm going to sound nice.

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I can just still picture a little me in my primary school uniform.

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Yeah.

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Dan's into freak like me.

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No need for that.

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I was lyrics week when I was able to tell you yourself.

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No.

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But we don't realize.

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No, no, no.

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It's like we are using Britney Spears.

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I'm a slave for you.

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I'm a slave for you.

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I think I'm going to think about that.

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It was.

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It's like someone's lyrics we were all singing.

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I think it's like a milkshake.

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Bring that out.

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Bring that out.

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I thought I was going to milkshake.

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Oh, it's literally about.

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Oh, the milkshake was below.

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Yeah.

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I know.

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Yeah.

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I know.

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Yeah.

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Fuck.

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Yeah.

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Um, guys, that's a strategy.

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Thank you so much for listening.

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Thanks again to the Sugar Waves.

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Their concert in Dublin is 23.

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It's quite fun.

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And very fast.

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The 19th.

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I will still take it's available.

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Yeah.

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As of today.

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You can go back and listen to around set itself from Monday, Harvard, drink, extra juice.

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And our full video with her is day 12.

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You have to watch a full video.

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You have to watch a full video.

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It's the whole new set.

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It's not new set.

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That's all right for today.

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Yeah.

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I wish it was a permanent new set.

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Definitely not.

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If you've never been to a live show actually, this gives you a little glimpse into it.

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Yeah.

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These are a special live show.

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Okay, which is.

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You sat on these.

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I'm trending one.

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Here we add last.

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Um, Garron.

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Garron noon.

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Sat on these.

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Um, we had Neve upon it.

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Sat on this chair.

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A place got.

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